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what's up UFO garage good morning this

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is gonna be our first little interview

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of the day we've got mr. Jim Goodall

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here with us and uh I'm gonna be

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chit-chatting with them a little bit and

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uh just kind of seeing what he's all

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about Jim yeah I'm glad to be here thank

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you

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this is Wayne's World yes yes yeah just

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tell the people a little bit about who

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you are and in yeah how you got into

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this whole thing I've been doing this

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and for fun and this that's what I do it

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for us for fun I don't like anybody at

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it this is my first UFO conference that

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I've actually been a speaker oh wow I've

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only been to two other ones the one in

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Phoenix last year and then doc Skinner

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had his function up the disclosure con

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up and Pinetop oh cool last year and

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he's no I'm gonna be a speaker at his

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one for this year but I'm I'm uh I'm a

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hardware guy I'm an airplane guy I saw

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my first Blackbird I not quite nineteen

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years old I mean that was 1964 Wow I saw

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I saw for the general public and I've

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never been the same since so I've been

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in 2spooky airplanes area 51 things that

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go bump in the night yes and because of

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my passion for spooky airplanes

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it also has led into you know people who

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were also into the UFO community now I

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was at just recently in the last four or

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five years I was a docent at ket Peak

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National Observatory is outside of

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Tucson okay they have 22 optical

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telescopes and one of them the the two

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point one meter which was operated by

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Caltech using adaptive optics over a

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five year period in a small area of our

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galaxy the Milky Way they identified

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over 8,000 exoplanets wow that's awesome

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and there's more and more that we find

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and although just just before just

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before I

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I quit volunteering I didn't care for

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the butt

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the new volunteer coordinator I don't I

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have no tolerance for people who talk

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down to me

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all right yeah yeah don't talk down to

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me especially when you're a volunteer we

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had a thing with the National Science

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Foundation with a lead astronomer it

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just come back from a conference and

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these are all the astronomers that have

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been looking for exoplanets I mean from

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all around the world and based on based

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on those numbers of what they have found

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in different segments of the universe

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they figure that there are for every

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star in the universe and that's a number

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you can't cram in your head

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not at all many zeroes but for every

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star in the universe they calculate this

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one and a half planets and out of that

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incredible number of planets exoplanets

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they calculate it at least two billion

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and that's with a B two billion

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earth-like planets orbiting a brown

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dwarf similar to our star in an

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inhabitable zone with liquid water Wow a

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billion now our galaxy is four billion

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years old right

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the universe is 14 point five billion

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years old yeah and 2-quart Jodie

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Foster's character in contact if we're

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the only ones what a waste of space yeah

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over the over the years i've been doing

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i've been doing this digging up stuff on

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spooky airplanes things that go bump in

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the night for almost 50 years right it

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makes me an old guy I've been there I've

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been in the field I've been the area the

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fence landed area 51 and Tonopah test

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range over 80 times in the last 40 years

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that is quite a bit

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you think you hold the record on most

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visits uh well no I think Glen Campbell

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he's now he's gone he's sort of a I

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can't I won't say he's no he's no longer

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in the picture right

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lived in Reichle for I think five years

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and he was out every day so he's been to

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the fence line he's been all over the

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desert many many times so it's it's

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something that's fun it's it's something

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that no one else was doing right right

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the first time I went to the little

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alien I decided to drive around the

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Nevada Test Site it was 1987 Joe and Pat

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Travis had just bought the little alien

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it was I don't think it wasn't called

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that yet but I got gas there there was a

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gas station at one time and at one time

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the population was about 85 hangs down

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to about 40 now yeah but it's the places

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I've been drawn to it I've I haven't

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seen any UFOs I've seen things seem

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strange airplanes maybe something that

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we weren't working on right yeah and be

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and because because of my my strong

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interest in spooky airplanes I sort of

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align myself with people with similar

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interests

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uh-huh and in 1972 I met John where I

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met John through John Andrews from

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testers right he was the day I met John

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Andrews I knew he was my he had been my

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best friend for life and he was on till

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the day he died and you know you know

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you run into people and you just know

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that yeah yeah yeah yeah thank you

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everything everything disorder congeals

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and because of John Andrews I met John

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Lear and because of John Lear I met Bob

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Lazar and I met Bob before he had gone

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to work out in the desert right right

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and I had the day I met him John Lear

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and I had we're going up u.s. 95 heading

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toward Scotty's Junction heading George

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Tonopah uh-huh

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and this the world had not seen the

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f-117 yet and an f-117 flew over us

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about 1,500 feet we bout crashed the car

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and that's the stealth looking plane

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boomerang hooking yeah it looks like an

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arrowhead yeah okay yeah and I asked I

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asked Leary said do you have any idea

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where there's things flying out of yeah

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I heard about there's a new complex at

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Tonopah so we go to the town of Tonopah

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then we head out u.s. six you know about

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14 miles it's a big sign with a a dummy

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nuclear weapon it was a B for teeth B 43

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nuke with a Nike Ajax booster on it the

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big sign Tonopah test range so that must

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be what we're talking about so we headed

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down the roads about you go 18 miles

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then you get the main gate in and so we

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just rode along the fence line on the on

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the BLM side the public land side and

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we're you know we're sitting there

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waiting for something to happen you can

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see the entire base it's eight miles

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away all right on and all of a sudden we

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see an f-117 coming in and it was like

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me that maybe a 10 or 11 year old boy

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seeing your first naked woman my cameras

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my cameras literally trembling I mean it

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was like getting laid for the first time

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over my head I hit print film because

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this is before digital yeah you know

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people doesn't mean there's things

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before digital yeah I was called film I

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didn't want it I did I wasn't shooting

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code or am i shooting kodacolor print

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film yeah so I can get it processed

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locally and we finished I went through

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the whole roll of film it was only the

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only f-117 it was followed by a t-38

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chase plane again the world hadn't seen

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the airplane yet right so John said well

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let's head back to my place I have a

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bunny wine coming over by 9:30 tonight

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so we head out a rate we head out of

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Tonopah test range we head up to Warm

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extra-terrestrial highway wasn't called

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that yet right when it had a quick bite

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at little alien and Rachel Joe Travis

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was still alive at the time and they

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were as we're heading out through

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typical Valley and we see this road

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heading into the debt you know heading

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towards the mountains that were shitless

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let's go down it so we drive all the way

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down we go through the foothills were

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actually about three-quarters of mile

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inside area 51 and the we come up to a

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guard shack and you can see the base we

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were up and over and it's right there

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and a nice-looking young man came out he

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has black utilities on his fort an m16

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but he was just hanging and the we're

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talking to say what are you guys doing

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here I said yeah we're bird watchers

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metal Birds snowbirds

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so you didn't have to specify right so

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we're just chatting a little bit and

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then another guard comes out of the

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guard shack now he's a reject from the

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NFL because he's too big no net I was

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about like this that's huge as he's

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coming out he's put in his 30 round

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magazine into his m16 and he pulls it

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back put a chamber you know put a round

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in the chamber so we know this guy's

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serious and later who's a character and

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a half he said right if we just took a

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picture of your guard shack I mean you

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took a bunch of guard shack I'm you can

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see all that area and the big the big

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guy looked at Lear and he said well if

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you do you're gonna be interviewed by

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some very very unfriendly people right

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right they're gonna want that photo back

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I looked at me I said time to go we

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turned around and

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on out and we get we get to John Lee's

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house he lives near the Mormon temple in

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the north in the north end of Vegas get

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to his place and about 9:15 at night

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there's a back in the day in the early

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and late 80s and through the 70s also

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there was a thing called photo man if

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you had print film you need it processed

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it's like the coffee baristas now yeah a

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little shack in an in a parking lot

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you drop your film off come back the

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next day in this process they were all

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closed so I here I have these this film

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of the f-117 I need a process that's

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cool and Blair said hey I've got a buddy

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mind coming over by 9:30 he just moved

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here from Albuquerque I think you'll

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find him interesting designs nuclear

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weapons okay so

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doorbell rings John goes the front door

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and in comes a guy named Bob Lazar

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this weekend we're talking and Bob said

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hey I have a c41 processor unit at home

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on the west side of town I said it's go

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to my place off process and print the

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film see what you got cool name awesome

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so we jumped we jumped in his car we're

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heading we're heading down West

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Charleston and Lazar looks at me he said

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because I feel sorry for Lehrer I

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Sweeney feel sorry for earlier he sees

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from this world-famous family his dad

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brought Learjet to the world and the

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dumb sumbitch believes in UFOs how

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stupid is that to much later he got

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employed at s4 so I have the distinction

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of being one of the very few people that

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knew Bob Lazar before he went to work

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out in the desert right

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and you could put a gun to his head and

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convince some UFOs were real Wow Wow he

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said I'm a nuclear physicist if I can't

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prove it mathematically or put my hands

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on it it doesn't exist right yeah yeah

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have you spoke to him after or you still

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still in contact with him in all harmony

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I mean I'm a visitor this summer

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okay on my way to Seattle I I talked to

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his wife and I said I said it's Bob what

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is Bob's cell phone numbers

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such-and-such yeah that's it and oh by

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the way here's mine in case you can't

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get her Bob doesn't answer the phone and

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he said this is email the same yeah it

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hasn't changed so ya know I've kept him

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in touch Bob off and on for 30 over 30

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years did the grace years that's great

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to know Bob before he was Bob yeah when

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David Darlington did a book called the

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dreamland Chronicles there's a chapter

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called the elders and it's about John

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and Rose and me and I talked about bob

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lazar his story has never changed even

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when financially it would have been a

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huge boom right right yeah it did he

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didn't he didn't change his stomach he

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didn't he didn't exaggerate his story

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has been consistent the other thing when

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george knapp went to investigate them

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and in georgia NAB's a friend of mine as

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well right on it's you know it's you

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know criminals hang together

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dopers hang together UFO bump of the

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night guys yeah so I know I've I've I've

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cherished my friendship with Bob I've

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supported them and I stand behind him I

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believe everything he said because the

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story hasn't changed he's been

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consistent

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and I knew what he did before yeah yeah

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and the thing is when when George Knapp

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was investigating Bob's background he

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said that he worked at Sandia Labs

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there's no record of it right right but

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in the Albuquerque newspaper because Bob

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had a 300 mile an hour jet car they take

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the drag race yeah and here's a pitcher

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said Professor Bob Lazar from Sandia

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Labs has a fun thing he doesn't weekend

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he drives it 300 miles an hour and the

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pitcher Bob and his he had a jet-powered

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motorcycle dragster with a Lamborghini

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Countach body on it and he's gone 300

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miles an hour in the quarter mile that's

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cool did they use that the shoot

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fireworks off in the desert too and why

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was he caught it was called desert blast

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he did he did 13 of them he made his own

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he made his own fireworks uh-huh he has

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a master fireworks license really other

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words he is he is he is certified to

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build commercial fireworks and I can

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remember in his garage I don't think in

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his neighbors knew he probably had three

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or four thousand pounds of explosives

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and I was here with my son and you know

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you started out with you put babies in

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you throw some alcohol in you throw

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whatever the color is yeah and you swirl

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it around like you're panning for gold

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yeah put that it and you're done with

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that when it gets to a certain size and

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then you may have different colors you

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put into it and you know he had some of

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the mortar rounds were 4 inches 8 inches

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damage was across a big fire I never

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made it to desert blast cos it was

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always when I I was either in here I had

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I traveled a lot for business I was

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either in Europe or somewhere else but

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he has his company United nuclear he

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ordered a five-gallon bucket of

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hydrazine now that's a Class A plus plus

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plus explosive right

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and the semi pulls up in front of his

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residential house said this United

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nuclear Bob said yes well I got a

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delivery for you he opens up as his

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truck his big trailer I mean this is not

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it's not a a Hertz rent-a-car type track

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this is a semi it opens a thing up

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there's one five-gallon container on a

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pallet and that was all that was so he

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unloaded it I mean this stuff this stuff

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is is nasty stuff these different drag

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racers and dragsters back in the day and

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you can go from 2,000 horsepower to

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3,000 or spiralled by just in there so

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he didn't know he didn't know what he

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was gonna do with it

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sorry one of the desert blasts they put

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it in a 55-gallon drum they felt they

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filled it with gasoline I think it was

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do it as far as I did igniter and they

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said they they detonated like that and

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it it was made a very big boom and

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another thing you did this is right

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after this is right after Timothy

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Timothy McVeigh had blown up the Federal

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Building in Oklahoma City John Lear had

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a friend who worked for ATS ATF

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they said we're going to simulate what

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the guys that blow up the federal Center

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in Oklahoma City Boronia used one so

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they got one of your your cardboard

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barrels what 55 gallinger's good size

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they felt it with fertilizer and they

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filled it with diesel fuel they put it

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nighter in it there about him there a

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mile away and they detonated and

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everybody was standing got knocked on

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their ass and I think McVeigh had 10 of

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those in the

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and the rental truck oh my god that is

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Lots that's pretty that's pretty

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powerful so so I hate I hang around with

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a lot of crazy but and I've been married

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a whole bunch of times yeah am i all my

389
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wives I said you don't have any normal

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friends

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I said well normal people are boring I

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mean I have two that I know and are

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normal and they're there like they come

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in a white box with black lettering I

395
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mean they have no personality but

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they're dear friends yeah I'm not I'm

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not like that

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keeps it keeps things interesting yeah

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and I get I get a lot of trouble I've

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pissed off a lot of people I have what

401
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you call Stefan your dick moment but I'm

402
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75 years old I know I don't we don't

403
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give a [\h__\h] what people think of me yeah

404
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well that's good yeah thing is I never

405
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:08,170
have it dries it's driven my wife's nuts

406
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I mean my first wife said but what do

407
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the neighbors think I said I don't give

408
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a [\h__\h] they don't mean my MA my lon they

409
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don't pay my bills they don't shovel my

410
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driveway I don't give a [\h__\h] matter of

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fact I do things to embarrass these

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00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:24,550
people yeah there's there's a couple I

413
00:20:29,490 --> 00:20:26,170
won't give their name moszer's

414
00:20:33,780 --> 00:20:29,500
distillery vibrant a very good Catholic

415
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couple very pro-life as I mind but very

416
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pro-life every year at the Minnesota

417
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State Fair I would go to Planned

418
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Parenthood give him ten dollars and then

419
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right this is from Bob and Sharon and

420
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I'd write their name their address

421
00:20:54,300 --> 00:20:50,860
stickers weren't looking I would stick

422
00:20:55,470 --> 00:20:54,310
it on their back they get all this

423
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literature there you know they go to

424
00:21:00,030 --> 00:20:57,640
they go to Catholic Mass and they get

425
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:00,040
they get accosted by their neighbors you

426
00:21:05,580 --> 00:21:01,810
have a Planned Parenthood stick or in

427
00:21:07,890 --> 00:21:05,590
the back they didn't know how it would

428
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:07,900
happen every year after the State Fair

429
00:21:17,180 --> 00:21:13,330
so your your prankster do you have to

430
00:21:19,910 --> 00:21:17,190
you have to you have to

431
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smile you have you definitely you can't

432
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be doom and gloom yeah life is way way

433
00:21:25,550 --> 00:21:23,550
too short

434
00:21:27,740 --> 00:21:25,560
yeah well it's probably that attitude

435
00:21:29,780 --> 00:21:27,750
that allowed you to go down that path of

436
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:29,790
doing so many interesting things you

437
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know a good example and I mentioned it

438
00:21:39,260 --> 00:21:36,690
last night and in my talk I'm at the

439
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fence language on Lear it's 11 o'clock

440
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at night we have our lawn chairs because

441
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that's what you do when you're on the

442
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:44,820
desert you don't want to sit in the

443
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ground the scorpions in general isn't

444
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[\h__\h] and we're sitting there we ever

445
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:51,510
feet up in the Bob wire we're in public

446
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lands and I know exactly where we are

447
00:21:59,780 --> 00:21:57,810
and we see three armored personnel

448
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carriers coming towards us lights are

449
00:22:06,830 --> 00:22:04,320
off we have our MPGs so I get up they

450
00:22:11,060 --> 00:22:06,840
wave and I yell hey and we're good guys

451
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:11,070
were taxpayers and all of a sudden it's

452
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alright LED lights little red dots of my

453
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:15,090
chest little red dots and John Lear's

454
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chest there's a there's a another

455
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vehicle coming down the beyond inside of

456
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the fence guy gets out he's in desert

457
00:22:29,810 --> 00:22:26,940
camouflage he has his hand on his

458
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9-millimeter why am i 357 and John head

459
00:22:38,030 --> 00:22:33,510
is 45 this is for critters yeah after

460
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shooting bad guys and he said you're in

461
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a restricted area and I'm warden you

462
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believe and I said sir I don't know who

463
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:43,410
you are but we're in public lands we

464
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don't have to go anywhere yes you do

465
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you're in a restricted area and I pulled

466
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out the aeronautical map on my back

467
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pocket it gives the longitude and

468
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latitude to the second uh-huh I said

469
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according to this official government

470
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document this is the longitude and

471
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latitude and if you look at the base of

472
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that fence post you'll see a USGS

473
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medallion that gives the longitude

474
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latitude to the second we're in public

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lands lands

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and we can be here for 15 consecutive

477
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days without asking anybody's permission

478
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right yeah I want to see some ID and I

479
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said who are you yeah give me your ID

480
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right I'm captain so-and-so with ASI

481
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which is advanced security Inc I said

482
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well you're a rent-a-cop you don't have

483
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any jurisdiction on this side of the

484
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fence you can just see his jaws just you

485
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:37,049
know man he says I've been deputized by

486
00:23:42,860 --> 00:23:40,410
lincoln nye and Esmerelda County to

487
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uphold the laws the state of Nevada and

488
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the federal government I said well good

489
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for you and he's getting more pissed as

490
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it goes on he said I said I tell you

491
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what you show me yours I'll show you

492
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mine so he hands me his asi badge

493
00:24:01,880 --> 00:23:58,950
advanced security ain't bad I said

494
00:24:03,470 --> 00:24:01,890
that's not a valid form of ID yeah I

495
00:24:05,419 --> 00:24:03,480
need something issued by the state a

496
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:05,429
federal government and he's getting more

497
00:24:13,580 --> 00:24:06,890
pissed

498
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this is 1996 by the way yeah so I had

499
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you know he handy handles

500
00:24:18,980 --> 00:24:17,460
hands me his Nevada driver's license I

501
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:18,990
didn't have my glasses on my reading

502
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glasses on sir

503
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so I hand him my good I live in

504
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Minnesota at the time I hand him my

505
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:27,630
driver's license John Blair hands his he

506
00:24:33,260 --> 00:24:29,010
still has his feet up on the Thunder

507
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from the fence and he hands him to the

508
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guy in the south side of the fans who

509
00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:38,460
goes to the supervisor hands is a

510
00:24:43,370 --> 00:24:40,740
supervisor he turns his light on I hear

511
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:43,380
it I hear him say oh [\h__\h] it's good on

512
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one layer and they just came back and

513
00:24:55,490 --> 00:24:50,480
stuff and dispersed so they knew like

514
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you're already a thing well I had a five

515
00:25:00,169 --> 00:24:57,990
years active duty I had a ten year break

516
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:00,179
and I spent 21 years with a Minnesota

517
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Air National Guard as the wing historian

518
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and my boss is a two-star I worked

519
00:25:12,769 --> 00:25:09,149
directly for him was at a generals

520
00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:12,779
conference in the Pentagon fortissimo

521
00:25:18,619 --> 00:25:16,110
general officers there for a whole week

522
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and somewhere in the middle of this

523
00:25:27,499 --> 00:25:22,559
conference my name came up and jeremiah

524
00:25:31,399 --> 00:25:27,509
broman actually with time he almost like

525
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:31,409
stopwatch on his watch time did and i

526
00:25:36,649 --> 00:25:33,690
was a subject of conversation for 43

527
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:36,659
minutes Oh Ben and Jessa's jump the

528
00:25:40,909 --> 00:25:39,450
generating stories general john Vesey

529
00:25:45,259 --> 00:25:40,919
who is the chairman of the Joint Chiefs

530
00:25:49,220 --> 00:25:45,269
who's also from Minnesota he said he

531
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:49,230
told my boss he said most of us said

532
00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:51,450
Joint Chiefs appreciate what your

533
00:25:56,389 --> 00:25:54,600
sergeant good-old does says there's a

534
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,399
there's a couple of the younger officers

535
00:26:01,759 --> 00:25:58,799
would like to have them whacked but

536
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:01,769
that's not gonna happen and we've given

537
00:26:08,869 --> 00:26:04,080
in my hand oh we we just refer to your

538
00:26:10,970 --> 00:26:08,879
sergeant Goodall as Agent Orange I got I

539
00:26:12,830 --> 00:26:10,980
got a handle from the chairman of the

540
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:12,840
Joint Chiefs of Staff all that's gray as

541
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:17,970
a general and it's it's gone on from

542
00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:21,090
there I mean I was I was first guy to

543
00:26:30,049 --> 00:26:25,860
photograph the f-117 in March in 94

544
00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:30,059
there was a issue of popular science on

545
00:26:36,129 --> 00:26:34,529
area 51 it's written by snoop Brown dear

546
00:26:39,139 --> 00:26:36,139
friend of mine is one of the original

547
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:39,149
interceptors cool and I'm the one of

548
00:26:45,740 --> 00:26:42,480
convention to do it and it's six million

549
00:26:47,629 --> 00:26:45,750
people read the read the article Wow

550
00:26:50,419 --> 00:26:47,639
either purchased a magazine there read

551
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:50,429
it the other thing I did for the article

552
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:51,840
and you may have seen that last night

553
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:54,210
when I'm on my slide presentation the

554
00:27:00,889 --> 00:26:57,600
area 51 patch mm-hm that's my design oh

555
00:27:05,330 --> 00:27:00,899
cool that's awesome and Glen Campbell

556
00:27:07,129 --> 00:27:05,340
and I ended up selling some my ten

557
00:27:10,820 --> 00:27:07,139
thousand of them it was even they were

558
00:27:14,110 --> 00:27:10,830
even in the Pentagon gift shop

559
00:27:18,050 --> 00:27:14,120
really yeah I think that's awesome so

560
00:27:19,220 --> 00:27:18,060
and again I remember one the Minnesota

561
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:19,230
Air Guard when I was getting ready to

562
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:21,930
recover the Blackbird that our museum

563
00:27:27,950 --> 00:27:25,530
was was given I go and I go into the

564
00:27:30,590 --> 00:27:27,960
skunkworks their Palmdale uh after they

565
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:30,600
moved from Burbank and the security

566
00:27:35,660 --> 00:27:32,490
person wasn't out front yeah and I hit

567
00:27:37,850 --> 00:27:35,670
the bell and I heard the late in the

568
00:27:41,290 --> 00:27:37,860
back he said who's there and they said

569
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,300
Jim good always said I know that name

570
00:27:46,670 --> 00:27:43,440
she comes to around her name's Glenn a

571
00:27:50,140 --> 00:27:46,680
far away he said so well you're not the

572
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:50,150
800-pound gorilla everybody says you are

573
00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:52,890
they said you know I've been here I've

574
00:27:58,430 --> 00:27:55,380
been here at security at ADP for 21

575
00:28:02,570 --> 00:27:58,440
years I heard your name the first week I

576
00:28:05,030 --> 00:28:02,580
was here and you were in the nor the

577
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:05,040
legend you were mentioned about once a

578
00:28:12,350 --> 00:28:08,730
quarter said he's a good guy he's a good

579
00:28:14,750 --> 00:28:12,360
historian he writes good books but

580
00:28:16,370 --> 00:28:14,760
anytime any of you were contacted by Jim

581
00:28:23,950 --> 00:28:16,380
Goodall you have to report it to

582
00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:23,960
security so security measured and

583
00:28:29,170 --> 00:28:26,220
because of my passion for Lockheed

584
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:29,180
airplanes I became friends with Ben rich

585
00:28:33,530 --> 00:28:31,890
all right which is the President started

586
00:28:36,650 --> 00:28:33,540
nightly I

587
00:28:38,510 --> 00:28:36,660
I built a quarter-inch model of a d-21

588
00:28:41,230 --> 00:28:38,520
drone informant and the world didn't

589
00:28:44,270 --> 00:28:41,240
even know about the drone at the time

590
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,280
and I I called him up said band I'm

591
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:46,080
gonna be in LA next week I have

592
00:28:50,570 --> 00:28:48,570
something for you can I come by and give

593
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:50,580
it to you and he said sure I'll make

594
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,050
sure its security knows let you in the

595
00:28:57,620 --> 00:28:54,720
parking lot and just coming into the

596
00:29:01,420 --> 00:28:57,630
lobby of discomforts and tell them who

597
00:29:03,490 --> 00:29:01,430
you are and you're here to see Ben rich

598
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:03,500
so I get in there and I have this open

599
00:29:09,610 --> 00:29:06,770
box with his d21 model that they can't

600
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,620
talk about it was still I mean when they

601
00:29:13,810 --> 00:29:11,120
were designing it was more classified

602
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:13,820
than the Manhattan Project Wow because

603
00:29:18,430 --> 00:29:16,970
we're flying an unmanned drone over them

604
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:18,440
we were gonna flight over the Soviet

605
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:19,490
Union never did

606
00:29:24,790 --> 00:29:23,090
Oh meal over China yeah but I figured he

607
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:24,800
was that I was just gonna leave it there

608
00:29:33,910 --> 00:29:28,480
he was gonna get it later

609
00:29:35,710 --> 00:29:33,920
God gave me eyes I can't help it so Ben

610
00:29:37,420 --> 00:29:35,720
rich comes out here all these engineers

611
00:29:39,970 --> 00:29:37,430
are walkin they're seeing this model and

612
00:29:42,490 --> 00:29:39,980
their eyes are getting really big and

613
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,500
Ben said now come with me should we go

614
00:29:47,910 --> 00:29:44,720
in - we used to be Kelly Johnson's

615
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:47,920
office I mean here this is this is

616
00:29:54,730 --> 00:29:51,290
nirvana this is you know you can't other

617
00:29:56,830 --> 00:29:54,740
than working at the skunk works you

618
00:29:58,990 --> 00:29:56,840
can't you can't get it you can't get it

619
00:30:00,810 --> 00:29:59,000
any better that's awesome so I'm sitting

620
00:30:02,910 --> 00:30:00,820
in there and this is the early 70s and

621
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:02,920
he opens up his file

622
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:05,600
finally box on this credenza and there's

623
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:08,240
a file about three to four inches thick

624
00:30:13,330 --> 00:30:10,640
from John Andrews my buddy from tester

625
00:30:14,860 --> 00:30:13,340
and he pulls it out and says this is

626
00:30:17,020 --> 00:30:14,870
from that son of a [\h__\h] from testers

627
00:30:20,110 --> 00:30:17,030
and but he said it with love in his eyes

628
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:20,120
and put it down and and then he said I

629
00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:21,200
got to show you something so he goes

630
00:30:26,740 --> 00:30:24,500
into the room just out next to inside

631
00:30:29,740 --> 00:30:26,750
this office but a storage room he brings

632
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:29,750
out a 20 by 30 frame print of the ten

633
00:30:34,570 --> 00:30:32,290
blackbirds there at the ramp at area 51

634
00:30:36,220 --> 00:30:34,580
and it's the first time I'd seen that he

635
00:30:39,850 --> 00:30:36,230
said this is just to show you there were

636
00:30:41,260 --> 00:30:39,860
more than two Wow Wow that photo was

637
00:30:44,350 --> 00:30:41,270
pretty awesome that he showed last night

638
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:44,360
yeah I didn't know they made that many

639
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:50,570
and I said I'm just looking at it and he

640
00:30:53,620 --> 00:30:51,770
picked it up and puts it back in the

641
00:30:57,580 --> 00:30:53,630
room and I said no I want to see it some

642
00:31:00,550 --> 00:30:57,590
more ice well now you've seen enough so

643
00:31:03,310 --> 00:31:00,560
so we were just chatting Ben and peek

644
00:31:05,539 --> 00:31:03,320
because of I think because of that now

645
00:31:08,479 --> 00:31:05,549
this is the early 70s

646
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:08,489
I ended up either he called me or I

647
00:31:15,499 --> 00:31:11,850
called him once a quarter for 25 years

648
00:31:19,639 --> 00:31:15,509
right and I talked to him 10 days before

649
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:19,649
he died he was at USC Medical Center he

650
00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:21,690
was died of esophageal cancer probably

651
00:31:27,619 --> 00:31:25,710
smelling the fumes from what makes

652
00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:27,629
stealth work right

653
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:29,820
and I asked we're talking about all

654
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:31,860
sorts of stuff and that's when he told

655
00:31:35,299 --> 00:31:33,090
me he said Jim

656
00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:35,309
we have things out in the desert and he

657
00:31:38,810 --> 00:31:37,110
wasn't referring to area 51

658
00:31:42,409 --> 00:31:38,820
he said we have things out in the desert

659
00:31:44,899 --> 00:31:42,419
that's 50 years beyond what you can

660
00:31:47,419 --> 00:31:44,909
comprehend not what you think you can

661
00:31:49,549 --> 00:31:47,429
build in 50 years but what you can

662
00:31:52,009 --> 00:31:49,559
comprehend and I can comprehend a whole

663
00:31:54,139 --> 00:31:52,019
yeah that's a big difference

664
00:31:57,580 --> 00:31:54,149
yeah and he said if you see movies like

665
00:32:00,680 --> 00:31:57,590
Star Trek or Star Wars we've been there

666
00:32:02,930 --> 00:32:00,690
done that or decided it wasn't worth the

667
00:32:05,930 --> 00:32:02,940
effort that's incredible and that's from

668
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:05,940
some president of I mean yeah and I I

669
00:32:12,289 --> 00:32:08,159
have the the honor and the privilege of

670
00:32:14,690 --> 00:32:12,299
knowing these guys firsthand and

671
00:32:19,099 --> 00:32:14,700
interview him and talking to him like

672
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:19,109
I'm talking to you guy yeah it's I was I

673
00:32:25,879 --> 00:32:22,049
was blessed I don't know how I gained

674
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:25,889
that distinction of being on I could

675
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:28,320
call Ben rich he could be in a meeting

676
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:30,529
with a group of his senior engineers

677
00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:33,929
June his secretary would put me right

678
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:36,840
through and make it you know connected

679
00:32:40,460 --> 00:32:38,970
with mr. rich he'd put it on

680
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:40,470
speakerphone and I can hear a

681
00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:42,690
half-a-dozen guys in the back yeah

682
00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:44,100
and we're sitting there just shooting

683
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,129
the [\h__\h] he's my buddy and I'm just you

684
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,200
know casual conversation about things

685
00:32:53,389 --> 00:32:51,840
spooky stuff yeah he said it always

686
00:32:56,599 --> 00:32:53,399
amazed him that like look through a

687
00:33:02,029 --> 00:32:56,609
crack about like that and be able to see

688
00:33:03,970 --> 00:33:02,039
90% of the picture John John Andrews

689
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:03,980
like we're really really good

690
00:33:09,940 --> 00:33:06,410
that and I get John when John passed

691
00:33:12,190 --> 00:33:09,950
away this is John Andrews he's the one

692
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:12,200
who came up with the 30-second scale

693
00:33:18,940 --> 00:33:15,770
f-117 model the quarter inch sr-71 model

694
00:33:20,860 --> 00:33:18,950
the quarter inch c-130 model which is a

695
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:20,870
Minnesota Air Guard markings by the way

696
00:33:28,690 --> 00:33:26,240
thanks to yours truly I did I just when

697
00:33:30,940 --> 00:33:28,700
John passed away it was it was he was

698
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:30,950
one of my dearest friends - rad is one

699
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:33,200
of those kids guys Joe Michael Mary very

700
00:33:37,210 --> 00:33:35,450
close yeah we just saw him just a bit

701
00:33:43,419 --> 00:33:37,220
he's staying with me oh right oh yeah

702
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:43,429
yeah nice and you know John John asked

703
00:33:50,110 --> 00:33:47,570
me when because he he died of he got

704
00:33:53,140 --> 00:33:50,120
liver cancer and metastasized to his

705
00:33:55,870 --> 00:33:53,150
lungs he was sick and he wouldn't tell

706
00:33:59,650 --> 00:33:55,880
anybody how sick he was and his in the

707
00:34:01,240 --> 00:33:59,660
27 years I knew John Andrews I'd never

708
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:01,250
seen him with his hair messed up even

709
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:03,200
sleeping on the desert for two or three

710
00:34:07,649 --> 00:34:04,610
days he'd wake up and his hair was

711
00:34:10,030 --> 00:34:07,659
perfectly great perfectly concrete here

712
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:10,040
summer in the hospital is here is every

713
00:34:17,020 --> 00:34:12,050
whichway hit and he may had a stroke in

714
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:17,030
the process he said do me a favor said

715
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:17,929
when I die

716
00:34:24,129 --> 00:34:20,720
will you take my ashes and dump them

717
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:24,139
over area 51 somehow I said I would be

718
00:34:29,740 --> 00:34:27,050
honored his wife Darlene just a sweetie

719
00:34:33,010 --> 00:34:29,750
pie you know she took half his ashes and

720
00:34:34,750 --> 00:34:33,020
putting them in a container for me and I

721
00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:34,760
don't go to funerals pretty much the

722
00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:37,369
funerals I've gone to yeah yeah there

723
00:34:42,940 --> 00:34:40,730
was a participant right but his son Paul

724
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:42,950
said anybody want to talk about my dad

725
00:34:47,950 --> 00:34:46,879
and I got up and cross it took me wild

726
00:34:50,830 --> 00:34:47,960
it you know dating you know wipe the

727
00:34:55,090 --> 00:34:50,840
tears out of my eyes and I was choked up

728
00:34:58,510 --> 00:34:55,100
cuz in your life you may meet one or two

729
00:35:00,820 --> 00:34:58,520
people that you can find no one who has

730
00:35:03,490 --> 00:35:00,830
anything bad to say about him right

731
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:03,500
Johnny Anna's was one of those guys yeah

732
00:35:10,540 --> 00:35:07,760
no one could say anything bad about John

733
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:10,550
so I'm with John Lear and this is a

734
00:35:14,170 --> 00:35:11,450
Wednesday

735
00:35:17,140 --> 00:35:14,180
so funeral was over we jump in the car

736
00:35:19,980 --> 00:35:17,150
we head back to Vegas I said tomorrow

737
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:19,990
we're gonna we're gonna just distribute

738
00:35:27,220 --> 00:35:23,930
Johnny Andrews ashes so we're had had

739
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:27,230
arranged with there at the executive

740
00:35:34,660 --> 00:35:29,930
terminal to go get on a jet ranger he

741
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:34,670
certified it fly it but he but he had he

742
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,730
had a pilot to do it sorry

743
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:39,680
John's in the right seat files in the

744
00:35:45,220 --> 00:35:42,770
left seat I'm in the back we take off

745
00:35:47,230 --> 00:35:45,230
and if you if you've been to Las Vegas

746
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:47,240
have you been heading towards area 51 as

747
00:35:51,070 --> 00:35:49,130
you're going up 15 there's a ridge line

748
00:35:53,530 --> 00:35:51,080
I'm it's sharp it goes straight up and

749
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:53,540
the other side is apex uh-huh and the

750
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:54,800
wind's hitting that thing I mean you

751
00:36:00,270 --> 00:35:57,170
you're all over the skies so we take off

752
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:00,280
from McCarran right we're heading over

753
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:03,710
towards apex and we hit some turbulence

754
00:36:08,620 --> 00:36:05,690
and we're doing everything but being

755
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:08,630
upside down and I'm sitting there scared

756
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:12,320
shitless but I'm looking at layer and

757
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:14,690
he's just you know no change in

758
00:36:18,070 --> 00:36:16,160
expressing the pilot well [\h__\h] if

759
00:36:19,690 --> 00:36:18,080
they're not worried I'm not worried yeah

760
00:36:21,070 --> 00:36:19,700
another day in an airplane yeah I'm not

761
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:21,080
Kobe Bryant I'm not worried about

762
00:36:24,340 --> 00:36:23,690
crashing into a mountain that was that

763
00:36:29,770 --> 00:36:24,350
was tragic

764
00:36:34,810 --> 00:36:29,780
yeah so we're about two-thirds of the

765
00:36:38,349 --> 00:36:34,820
way to typical Valley and the pilot says

766
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:38,359
I got a P Blair said me too and I say

767
00:36:41,830 --> 00:36:39,920
well me three so we stopped at like

768
00:36:45,340 --> 00:36:41,840
after the middle to desert three guys

769
00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:45,350
get out we water the plants we get back

770
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:49,369
in and as as and we're following we're

771
00:36:54,460 --> 00:36:51,290
following the road pretty much as we go

772
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:54,470
over Hancock Summit into typical Valley

773
00:37:00,280 --> 00:36:56,210
almost as soon as we went over the

774
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:00,290
summit an a7 Corsair - they call them

775
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:03,050
Slough stubby little ugly you know where

776
00:37:10,349 --> 00:37:07,760
the rest of his right takes off and he's

777
00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:10,359
circling us as we're as we're flying up

778
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:13,560
375 we got over

779
00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:16,530
the summit they're going into Rachel and

780
00:37:21,230 --> 00:37:18,060
we head due west and you can see the

781
00:37:24,190 --> 00:37:21,240
fence line area 51 State Patrol it so

782
00:37:27,790 --> 00:37:24,200
that's very very visible so we're about

783
00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:27,800
3,000 feet above ground level

784
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:32,220
they sent a the a seven headed back and

785
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:36,480
now a beach 1900 I think they're called

786
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,490
a CC set C 19 I think it is it took off

787
00:37:44,780 --> 00:37:43,920
and it's circling us to have military

788
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:44,790
escort

789
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:47,910
oh dang Lear gets on there gets on the

790
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:50,850
radio I said dreamland dreamland this is

791
00:37:55,580 --> 00:37:53,610
John Lear and Jim Goodall announcing

792
00:37:58,940 --> 00:37:55,590
that John Andrews on final approach to

793
00:38:02,360 --> 00:37:58,950
runway 1 4 right with that inch about a

794
00:38:04,370 --> 00:38:02,370
30 mile now wind from the north I open I

795
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:04,380
opened the door and poured it out and

796
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:10,260
just sheis so he scattered he's half of

797
00:38:22,820 --> 00:38:18,450
them is scattered all over area 51 I'm a

798
00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:22,830
published author I have 27 books 25 are

799
00:38:27,050 --> 00:38:26,460
in print my 27th one just went off to my

800
00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:27,060
publisher

801
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:31,140
it's a pictorial history on that on the

802
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:32,880
first 75 years of the Lockheed

803
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:33,570
skunkworks

804
00:38:40,070 --> 00:38:35,730
ah salute should be about three hundred

805
00:38:42,020 --> 00:38:40,080
and forty pages 11 hundred photos of

806
00:38:44,090 --> 00:38:42,030
which two-thirds have never been never

807
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:44,100
been in print Wow this is your most

808
00:38:48,020 --> 00:38:45,300
recent book that you're coming out with

809
00:38:49,790 --> 00:38:48,030
okay also might and it'll it'll be my

810
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:49,800
crowning glory I don't there's no way I

811
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:52,530
could I can top that there anything that

812
00:38:58,100 --> 00:38:56,130
came close is my twenty-fifth book which

813
00:39:02,260 --> 00:38:58,110
is a pictorial history of the Blackbirds

814
00:39:04,290 --> 00:39:02,270
alright I mean I'm a Blackbird fanatic I

815
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,300
acquired more

816
00:39:07,590 --> 00:39:06,400
I have a distinction of being the only

817
00:39:10,910 --> 00:39:07,600
guy in the world have been in the

818
00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:10,920
cockpit of a blackbird at 33,000 feet

819
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:14,830
inside a c5 Wow that's how we moved it

820
00:39:19,650 --> 00:39:17,680
from Palmdale to Minnesota really we

821
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:19,660
rolled it up on his own wheels better

822
00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:21,250
cut the wings off we had an inch and a

823
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:23,830
half of clearance and later day I'll

824
00:39:31,350 --> 00:39:29,290
bring my laptop cool yeah yeah yeah so

825
00:39:32,670 --> 00:39:31,360
how can we find the the new book that's

826
00:39:34,530 --> 00:39:32,680
coming out is it gonna go in different

827
00:39:36,780 --> 00:39:34,540
or is gonna be like on Amazon oh it's

828
00:39:42,750 --> 00:39:36,790
it's it's gonna be from Osprey out of

829
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:42,760
England 300 about 340 pages about and I

830
00:39:49,230 --> 00:39:46,290
say 1100 photos and be hardbound

831
00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:49,240
my current book if you go and de Amazon

832
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:52,630
and you look up James sea good books by

833
00:39:58,650 --> 00:39:56,290
James sea good all my my los

834
00:40:02,880 --> 00:39:58,660
angeles-class 688 book will show up as

835
00:40:04,290 --> 00:40:02,890
hardbound okay my b2 book but you're a

836
00:40:06,450 --> 00:40:04,300
pictorial history of the stealth bomber

837
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:06,460
is in there they let me fly this

838
00:40:14,490 --> 00:40:09,910
simulator that's cool it's a ninety

839
00:40:17,070 --> 00:40:14,500
million dollar video game it's it's

840
00:40:19,590 --> 00:40:17,080
better than did anything Microsoft can

841
00:40:21,150 --> 00:40:19,600
come up with and I thought they were

842
00:40:23,610 --> 00:40:21,160
just gonna show it to me I'd been there

843
00:40:26,420 --> 00:40:23,620
for two days it was the end of the

844
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:26,430
second day so I one more place to go so

845
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:29,770
we head off to this building off the

846
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,440
flight line and there's a cipher lock to

847
00:40:38,130 --> 00:40:34,960
get into the building to get in there go

848
00:40:39,660 --> 00:40:38,140
upstairs shooting a [\h__\h] about this and

849
00:40:42,210 --> 00:40:39,670
that whatever and then it there's a

850
00:40:47,490 --> 00:40:42,220
there's a combination lock on another

851
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:47,500
door to go down this hallway and there

852
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:50,170
was three doors and almost like the

853
00:40:57,660 --> 00:40:53,920
price was right I guess an East door has

854
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,670
a cipher lock on it right so they opened

855
00:41:01,830 --> 00:41:00,160
the door up and it's a b2 simulator I

856
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:01,840
thought they were gonna show it to me

857
00:41:12,330 --> 00:41:07,810
ding so we go in there and the IP says

858
00:41:14,610 --> 00:41:12,340
you're in the left seat I've been in the

859
00:41:15,849 --> 00:41:14,620
cockpit of a b2 uh-huh I've walked on

860
00:41:18,430 --> 00:41:15,859
top of it I looked there

861
00:41:20,529 --> 00:41:18,440
the inlet and shut the whole airplane so

862
00:41:25,779 --> 00:41:20,539
everything to do we said we're gonna go

863
00:41:29,019 --> 00:41:25,789
bomb something so we take off the

864
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:29,029
airplane takes off it at 27 knots I mean

865
00:41:34,029 --> 00:41:31,249
it's always it's all Lifting circles and

866
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:34,039
that's a it's a stick but if you Bank

867
00:41:38,049 --> 00:41:35,690
like this you have to go back the other

868
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:38,059
way to counteract as you'll start going

869
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:39,650
and if you don't go you'll keep going

870
00:41:44,650 --> 00:41:42,410
okay so you have to go like this and go

871
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:44,660
like this so we're flying and we're

872
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:47,930
gonna go in for an air refueling I'm not

873
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,690
a pilot

874
00:41:53,620 --> 00:41:51,440
but I have a good head on my shoulders

875
00:41:56,229 --> 00:41:53,630
we come up he only took me about three

876
00:42:00,430 --> 00:41:56,239
tries to get into the envelope to air

877
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:00,440
refuel now I'm an airplane guy and I I'm

878
00:42:06,279 --> 00:42:03,650
a numbers person at one time in my life

879
00:42:09,819 --> 00:42:06,289
I could I can remember hundreds of phone

880
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:09,829
numbers without you looking him up today

881
00:42:14,829 --> 00:42:12,319
I get lost when I turned him in my own

882
00:42:21,849 --> 00:42:14,839
address but that's the age we'll do that

883
00:42:23,140 --> 00:42:21,859
too so I hope you know I I finally get

884
00:42:25,809 --> 00:42:23,150
to a point where a place where I can

885
00:42:27,940 --> 00:42:25,819
hook up and the instructor pilot says

886
00:42:30,190 --> 00:42:27,950
you know I've been flying heavies for

887
00:42:33,279 --> 00:42:30,200
six years before I came to the b2

888
00:42:36,190 --> 00:42:33,289
program it took me six tries the first

889
00:42:37,979 --> 00:42:36,200
time you did it and to G I said

890
00:42:41,499 --> 00:42:37,989
beginner's luck

891
00:42:45,609 --> 00:42:41,509
so as I'm looking at as I'm looking at

892
00:42:48,430 --> 00:42:45,619
the kc-135r tanker I look at the serial

893
00:42:52,029 --> 00:42:48,440
number and it's a correct serial number

894
00:42:53,319 --> 00:42:52,039
for kc-135 it's an epic that please me

895
00:42:55,420 --> 00:42:53,329
at least the élysée are doing that

896
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,430
homework and you could see the face of

897
00:43:01,329 --> 00:42:57,440
the boom operator you couldn't make out

898
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:01,339
if if you know his ethnicity but you can

899
00:43:04,839 --> 00:43:03,049
tell you can see the boom operator there

900
00:43:07,509 --> 00:43:04,849
one two boom and I was a boom operator

901
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:07,519
for a short time in the Air Force I lost

902
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:09,170
three friends in two weeks I said put me

903
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:10,609
on the ground oh man

904
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:15,920
but it's fate so so so we're gonna go do

905
00:43:21,310 --> 00:43:17,810
a touching though

906
00:43:23,230 --> 00:43:21,320
so off we go and coming in we're 18

907
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:23,240
miles out it said just you know just

908
00:43:27,340 --> 00:43:25,130
keep the you know keep the ball here and

909
00:43:28,750 --> 00:43:27,350
keep the little black dot in the center

910
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:28,760
and you're gonna fly down the glide

911
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:31,760
slope we're gonna do a touch-and-go and

912
00:43:37,930 --> 00:43:34,880
then we're gonna take off we're about 80

913
00:43:42,010 --> 00:43:37,940
miles hour and all of a sudden boom boom

914
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:42,020
boom five or six 10 Megaton hydrogen

915
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:45,050
bombs went off just Frank up in the

916
00:43:48,670 --> 00:43:46,850
control room was screwing with me

917
00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:48,680
there and the city there's going

918
00:43:51,610 --> 00:43:50,390
bouncing all over the place the screen

919
00:43:54,940 --> 00:43:51,620
goes black

920
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:54,950
that's a simulate the the flash shield

921
00:44:00,100 --> 00:43:57,440
you put on your face which looks like

922
00:44:02,140 --> 00:44:00,110
the stormtroopers from Star Wars huh

923
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:02,150
because the guy who designed it is a

924
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,160
Star Wars fan that's cool that's good so

925
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:08,720
so we go to where we meet Lee pull away

926
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:11,090
don't full-throttle me are you hit

927
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,250
getting out of Dodge so I looked at the

928
00:44:18,250 --> 00:44:15,440
IP and I said can I drop one

929
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:18,260
he said no it's a it's a classified

930
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:21,050
system yeah but if you were to drop one

931
00:44:25,450 --> 00:44:21,770
where would it be

932
00:44:28,420 --> 00:44:25,460
that's just 2015 I said how about 1600

933
00:44:30,730 --> 00:44:28,430
and it's gonna head now you say

934
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:30,740
Pennsylvania said no no you can't say

935
00:44:39,460 --> 00:44:33,770
that what you think about no you can't

936
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:39,470
say that so the official official

937
00:44:44,350 --> 00:44:42,290
certificate I have said two hours in the

938
00:44:47,620 --> 00:44:44,360
b2 simulator when in fact I was two and

939
00:44:49,330 --> 00:44:47,630
a half but it was fun it was just a kick

940
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:49,340
in the butt now that was cool

941
00:44:54,610 --> 00:44:51,050
and that's what I do know that what I do

942
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:54,620
you know when I when I secured the

943
00:44:59,650 --> 00:44:57,050
Blackbird for the Minnesota air guard

944
00:45:05,740 --> 00:44:59,660
Museum and it wasn't an sr-71 it was a

945
00:45:10,420 --> 00:45:05,750
CIA a12 and the way it the way I that

946
00:45:14,590 --> 00:45:10,430
that started been rich calls me at home

947
00:45:16,420 --> 00:45:14,600
in August of 89 and he said Jim I know

948
00:45:19,330 --> 00:45:16,430
for a fact the black birds aren't gonna

949
00:45:21,610 --> 00:45:19,340
make it through Congress and if anybody

950
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:21,620
can scrounge one you can

951
00:45:26,210 --> 00:45:24,450
so I sell case like I get on the phone

952
00:45:29,420 --> 00:45:26,220
the next day I called the adjutant

953
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,430
general of the state of New York I said

954
00:45:34,070 --> 00:45:31,200
general Riva is a sergeant good on with

955
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:34,080
the 133rd what can I do for you Sarge

956
00:45:38,780 --> 00:45:36,810
I said how'd your New York air guard

957
00:45:41,770 --> 00:45:38,790
like to move the world's fastest

958
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:41,780
airplane in a couple years see fives

959
00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:44,250
quiet for a few seconds said you mean

960
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:47,220
the Blackbird I said yes sir when you're

961
00:45:52,670 --> 00:45:50,160
ready you call will halt all right now

962
00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:52,680
to put in proper perspective pratt &

963
00:45:57,260 --> 00:45:54,510
whitney was trying to get one as well

964
00:46:02,930 --> 00:45:57,270
and they had cut and I and I had worked

965
00:46:05,300 --> 00:46:02,940
with arnie gunderson who's mr. j58

966
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:05,310
for the Blackbird program okay and his

967
00:46:09,860 --> 00:46:06,450
was trying to get it they're gonna put

968
00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:09,870
her on a wit on a wind vane at West Palm

969
00:46:15,590 --> 00:46:12,180
Beach so even during hurricanes it would

970
00:46:19,730 --> 00:46:15,600
all be pointing into the wind and he

971
00:46:25,210 --> 00:46:19,740
contacted air force it said would the

972
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:25,220
air force lease us a c5 I said sure

973
00:46:31,130 --> 00:46:28,560
so how much nine hundred and sixty seven

974
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:31,140
thousand dollars a day plus gas good

975
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:32,310
lord

976
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:41,730
nice grounds two of them Daisy what

977
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:43,530
solves a lot of Girl Scout cookies so I

978
00:46:47,090 --> 00:46:45,330
go to my boss who's a two-star and it's

979
00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:47,100
a journalist general Schwab I'm gonna

980
00:46:53,810 --> 00:46:48,510
get I want to get a blackford for our

981
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:53,820
museum he starts laughing at me and I

982
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:55,170
said sir

983
00:47:01,220 --> 00:46:57,930
rather than laugh at me give me the

984
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:01,230
opportunity to fail should I write

985
00:47:04,970 --> 00:47:02,730
smartass are you gonna get it here

986
00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:04,980
doesn't it fly I said I got that covered

987
00:47:10,850 --> 00:47:08,460
I mean I said I talked to general Weaver

988
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:10,860
at tag at New York Air Guard he said

989
00:47:15,230 --> 00:47:13,530
when you're ready you call will halt and

990
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:15,240
it would be training for moving outside

991
00:47:20,270 --> 00:47:18,930
scar go right so it'd be no cost to the

992
00:47:22,490 --> 00:47:20,280
museum how cool

993
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:22,500
and I got the Dayton Hudson corporation

994
00:47:31,970 --> 00:47:26,490
to hire a documentary film crew there's

995
00:47:35,090 --> 00:47:31,980
a 29 28 minute 45 second VIP

996
00:47:36,730 --> 00:47:35,100
professionally VIP video on the recovery

997
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:36,740
of the Blackbird that was on public TV

998
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:40,200
for 15 years in Minneapolis Tiffany I

999
00:47:44,660 --> 00:47:41,010
have it at home

1000
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:44,670
dang check that out but when we loaded

1001
00:47:51,710 --> 00:47:47,160
when we loaded it onto the c5 it was

1002
00:47:54,170 --> 00:47:51,720
October 27th 1991 we flew from Palmdale

1003
00:47:57,590 --> 00:47:54,180
to Travis they didn't have fuel or

1004
00:47:59,900 --> 00:47:57,600
Palmdale spent the night next day we

1005
00:48:03,770 --> 00:47:59,910
take off heading to Minnesota we're

1006
00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:03,780
about 45 minutes out and the load master

1007
00:48:08,030 --> 00:48:05,250
was the chief master sergeants going

1008
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:08,040
down to check the load I said can I go

1009
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:13,050
with you and in most cases can't whew

1010
00:48:18,140 --> 00:48:15,570
it's pressurized but he said well

1011
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:18,150
normally I would have to say no but

1012
00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:21,690
since this is your project go ahead cool

1013
00:48:25,820 --> 00:48:23,940
so I went down I climbed up the landing

1014
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:25,830
gear and down the chines I had a chart

1015
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:27,450
holding the canopy open because the

1016
00:48:32,540 --> 00:48:29,490
counterbalance was out of nitrogen open

1017
00:48:34,580 --> 00:48:32,550
that up I had a five-gallon bucket and

1018
00:48:37,250 --> 00:48:34,590
the bottom of the ejection seat with a

1019
00:48:40,670 --> 00:48:37,260
cushion came in there close to canopy

1020
00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:40,680
I'm in your buffer 45 minutes going zoom

1021
00:48:48,860 --> 00:48:45,780
zoom I mean what am i 12 and finally I

1022
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:48,870
hear a rap on the bottom this is boss

1023
00:48:56,060 --> 00:48:52,650
said we got to go up okay so open the

1024
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:56,070
canopy put the wheel chock back in climb

1025
00:49:00,530 --> 00:48:58,170
down we go upstairs now there's two

1026
00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:00,540
parts of the upper level is c5 you have

1027
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,480
room for 75 passengers behind the wing

1028
00:49:07,370 --> 00:49:05,760
box and then you have the flight crew

1029
00:49:12,020 --> 00:49:07,380
and everything forward of the wing box

1030
00:49:14,540 --> 00:49:12,030
I'm for the wing box area and the we're

1031
00:49:17,810 --> 00:49:14,550
about 40 minutes out of Minneapolis and

1032
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:17,820
the chief master sergeant comes back and

1033
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:20,610
he said Jim bus said you can you can

1034
00:49:25,250 --> 00:49:22,770
right in the cockpit when we land well

1035
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:25,260
I'm already up there he said no no the

1036
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:26,370
one downstairs

1037
00:49:29,780 --> 00:49:29,280
oh so I go downstairs I get in the

1038
00:49:31,940 --> 00:49:29,790
cockpit

1039
00:49:34,289 --> 00:49:31,950
I'm not restrained or anything and I'm

1040
00:49:37,709 --> 00:49:34,299
there when the lands so my

1041
00:49:40,289 --> 00:49:37,719
my no-one will top this I don't care

1042
00:49:44,249 --> 00:49:40,299
what who they are even Edmund he'll on

1043
00:49:47,669 --> 00:49:44,259
musk or Bill Gates or whatever will ever

1044
00:49:52,380 --> 00:49:47,679
be top it I I've been in the cockpit of

1045
00:49:56,339 --> 00:49:52,390
a blackbird at 33,000 feet at Mach point

1046
00:49:57,929 --> 00:49:56,349
7 to inside another airplane and I

1047
00:50:01,529 --> 00:49:57,939
landed it as well

1048
00:50:03,660 --> 00:50:01,539
inside another airplane you could you

1049
00:50:06,299 --> 00:50:03,670
couldn't have slapped a grin off my face

1050
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:06,309
with the 2x4 with nails in it it was

1051
00:50:11,539 --> 00:50:08,049
like winning the Stanley Cup the World

1052
00:50:15,209 --> 00:50:11,549
Series in the Superbowl all on the same

1053
00:50:15,509 --> 00:50:15,219
somebody awesome stories that's what I

1054
00:50:19,499 --> 00:50:15,519
do

1055
00:50:22,109 --> 00:50:19,509
oh you you're here for the money [\h__\h] if

1056
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:22,119
you break down - all the hardware I've

1057
00:50:28,259 --> 00:50:24,249
had to buy - all the transportation

1058
00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:28,269
costs everything else associated just my

1059
00:50:33,380 --> 00:50:31,569
time with my writing my books maybe I

1060
00:50:35,729 --> 00:50:33,390
make 2 cents an hour

1061
00:50:37,859 --> 00:50:35,739
thanks I don't do it for money I don't

1062
00:50:40,529 --> 00:50:37,869
even do it for fame I do it because I

1063
00:50:43,739 --> 00:50:40,539
enjoy it yes [\h__\h] we enjoy you being

1064
00:50:46,229 --> 00:50:43,749
here man and I enjoy people and I I have

1065
00:50:48,539 --> 00:50:46,239
I've had the honor and the privilege I

1066
00:50:50,669 --> 00:50:48,549
mean I interviewed loose shock the first

1067
00:50:52,979 --> 00:50:50,679
guy to fly Blackbird a12

1068
00:50:55,279 --> 00:50:52,989
interviewed Jimmy Stan first got to fly

1069
00:50:58,709 --> 00:50:55,289
the yf-12 the first guy to do an aerial

1070
00:51:01,499 --> 00:50:58,719
refueling I've interviewed Bob Gilliland

1071
00:51:03,779 --> 00:51:01,509
first got to find the sr-71 he was in

1072
00:51:06,439 --> 00:51:03,789
the he was up in the mountaintop second

1073
00:51:09,509 --> 00:51:06,449
from the second from the right

1074
00:51:11,130 --> 00:51:09,519
he was in the blue jacket I've

1075
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:11,140
interviewed virtually everybody who's

1076
00:51:15,749 --> 00:51:12,880
crashed a blackbird well I've

1077
00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:15,759
interviewed pretty much everybody who

1078
00:51:22,109 --> 00:51:18,910
built and designed specific parts of the

1079
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:22,119
airplane Arnie Gunderson from Pratt &

1080
00:51:31,609 --> 00:51:31,160
kimber Jim Jim's last name but it's not

1081
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:31,619
fun

1082
00:51:36,259 --> 00:51:33,960
yeah he was from Honeywell they did the

1083
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:36,269
avionics of this the saving of this

1084
00:51:40,849 --> 00:51:38,609
stabilization augmentation system the

1085
00:51:43,099 --> 00:51:40,859
autopilot me in my control system I

1086
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:43,109
talked to the guys from Wyman Gordon who

1087
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:48,690
produce the the titanium for genes all

1088
00:51:53,150 --> 00:51:50,130
these guys and this is what I've done

1089
00:51:57,289 --> 00:51:53,160
because it's what I enjoy doing yeah

1090
00:51:58,999 --> 00:51:57,299
yeah and one of the fun ones I won't I

1091
00:52:03,710 --> 00:51:59,009
won't give his name cuz he's still alive

1092
00:52:07,220 --> 00:52:03,720
and he's been talked to who but a friend

1093
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:07,230
of mine who's an sr-71 pilot flying out

1094
00:52:13,269 --> 00:52:10,559
of Kadena Okinawa this is the 1960 1970

1095
00:52:16,970 --> 00:52:13,279
to timeframe vietnam war still going

1096
00:52:20,890 --> 00:52:16,980
full-bore it's about 11 o'clock at night

1097
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:20,900
he's flying straight and level about

1098
00:52:26,990 --> 00:52:24,240
78,000 feet a Mach two point seven two

1099
00:52:29,269 --> 00:52:27,000
point seven is the ideal cruising speed

1100
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,279
for the Blackbird it's still pretty good

1101
00:52:33,890 --> 00:52:31,920
on fuel consumption but you're not

1102
00:52:35,450 --> 00:52:33,900
thermally stressing anything on the

1103
00:52:38,359 --> 00:52:35,460
airplane it's not until you go above

1104
00:52:42,620 --> 00:52:38,369
Mach three that the the friction and the

1105
00:52:46,940 --> 00:52:42,630
thermal heating builds up 11 o'clock at

1106
00:52:49,130 --> 00:52:46,950
night 3/4 moon he gets a glint off

1107
00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:49,140
something metallic about five or six

1108
00:52:56,900 --> 00:52:53,910
miles away about 85,000 feet straight

1109
00:52:59,599 --> 00:52:56,910
contacts the contacts Kadena that the

1110
00:53:01,700 --> 00:52:59,609
SRS are flying out of till we get

1111
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:01,710
another bird up know you're up there by

1112
00:53:08,299 --> 00:53:05,250
yourself no I'm not I'll go take a look

1113
00:53:12,170 --> 00:53:08,309
so advances dis rattles you know Mach

1114
00:53:14,539 --> 00:53:12,180
2.7 at seventy eight thousand feet the

1115
00:53:18,259 --> 00:53:14,549
the engines are an absolute minimum

1116
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:18,269
burner the airplane wants to fly fast

1117
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:20,730
it'll it'll fly it is a way to

1118
00:53:24,890 --> 00:53:23,130
destruction if you let it you blow the

1119
00:53:29,150 --> 00:53:24,900
engine inlets out first before you do

1120
00:53:30,980 --> 00:53:29,160
anything but so Dave pushes the

1121
00:53:32,539 --> 00:53:30,990
throttles forward there's about a 10

1122
00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:32,549
degree Bank and he's climbing

1123
00:53:37,009 --> 00:53:35,220
accelerating he's going to try to get

1124
00:53:39,380 --> 00:53:37,019
close to this thing and he figured he

1125
00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:39,390
was a but still a mile or so away

1126
00:53:44,450 --> 00:53:41,400
there may be a thousand or so feet below

1127
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:44,460
it not taking his eye off of it and this

1128
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:46,890
thing takes off at about a 30-degree

1129
00:53:51,799 --> 00:53:50,609
angle of attack and left him like it was

1130
00:53:56,029 --> 00:53:51,809
hit in the other direction

1131
00:53:58,370 --> 00:53:56,039
that's doesn't say he doesn't know what

1132
00:54:04,970 --> 00:53:58,380
what kind of it's not like he's going

1133
00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:04,980
slow so he he retires from the Air Force

1134
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:10,260
as an sr-71 pilot in 1980 and those guys

1135
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:13,049
those guys are in that community in the

1136
00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:15,930
black world if you want to stay in it he

1137
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:17,460
already cleared you know most of the

1138
00:54:23,660 --> 00:54:20,490
people so he ended up being the facility

1139
00:54:25,630 --> 00:54:23,670
man injured area 51 Wow he was the one

1140
00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:25,640
that guy in charge of every single

1141
00:54:31,220 --> 00:54:28,440
building there and I asked him any

1142
00:54:34,220 --> 00:54:31,230
underground facilities at area 51 said

1143
00:54:36,859 --> 00:54:34,230
none there was I would I would have to

1144
00:54:38,930 --> 00:54:36,869
it seen him yeah and she said but the

1145
00:54:43,460 --> 00:54:38,940
technology exists there's a Nevada Test

1146
00:54:47,390 --> 00:54:43,470
Site right and they said his job his job

1147
00:54:50,299 --> 00:54:47,400
was a facility manager and to maintain

1148
00:54:52,359 --> 00:54:50,309
the maintenance on all the non-program

1149
00:54:58,249 --> 00:54:52,369
aircraft primarily the chase airplanes

1150
00:55:01,880 --> 00:54:58,259
the f-86 is the f100 f-14s and stuff and

1151
00:55:04,279 --> 00:55:01,890
he was there for six years and he had

1152
00:55:05,779 --> 00:55:04,289
after he was here for a while he he he

1153
00:55:07,220 --> 00:55:05,789
knew pretty much everybody but when

1154
00:55:09,230 --> 00:55:07,230
everybody was comfortable with him we

1155
00:55:11,210 --> 00:55:09,240
started to ask him hey did we build and

1156
00:55:18,339 --> 00:55:11,220
develop an in-flight test something that

1157
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:18,349
goes maybe Mach 20 not area 51 no no no

1158
00:55:23,269 --> 00:55:20,970
and Ben rich told me in his in his

1159
00:55:24,589 --> 00:55:23,279
office he said he said you know every

1160
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:24,599
car that comes into this parking lot

1161
00:55:31,970 --> 00:55:28,650
photographed not by US by Russian agents

1162
00:55:33,140 --> 00:55:31,980
Soviet agents before the fall of the

1163
00:55:36,829 --> 00:55:33,150
Soviet Union

1164
00:55:40,039 --> 00:55:36,839
he said we said I know we there's

1165
00:55:42,289 --> 00:55:40,049
probably a handful of Russian spies

1166
00:55:44,359 --> 00:55:42,299
working at the skunk works

1167
00:55:47,959 --> 00:55:44,369
and there's nothing we can do about it

1168
00:55:49,669 --> 00:55:47,969
until until it in until we they do

1169
00:55:52,099 --> 00:55:49,679
something wrong right right so one

1170
00:55:55,249 --> 00:55:52,109
helmet how nail is that possible I said

1171
00:55:59,630 --> 00:55:55,259
said our intelligent guys are in for the

1172
00:56:04,689 --> 00:55:59,640
short term Soviets Chinese they're in

1173
00:56:08,929 --> 00:56:04,699
for the long term so there's a smart kid

1174
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:08,939
11 10 11 years old single mom they're

1175
00:56:14,529 --> 00:56:12,689
struggling but the kids growing up and

1176
00:56:17,620 --> 00:56:14,539
out of the blue

1177
00:56:20,509 --> 00:56:17,630
uncle EEP Igor comes into their life and

1178
00:56:23,779 --> 00:56:20,519
saves the family gets it he gets mom a

1179
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:23,789
job at maybe at Lockheed or some other

1180
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:30,170
defense contractor he tutors the kid on

1181
00:56:35,209 --> 00:56:32,130
mathematics and stuff like that and

1182
00:56:37,759 --> 00:56:35,219
guides him to he wants to go finally

1183
00:56:39,140 --> 00:56:37,769
they you know he graduates to finally

1184
00:56:42,499 --> 00:56:39,150
graduate from high school with good

1185
00:56:46,929 --> 00:56:42,509
grades he has a shoo-in to some maybe

1186
00:56:49,759 --> 00:56:46,939
Caltech or any rental with some other

1187
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:49,769
university that specializes and aviation

1188
00:56:57,049 --> 00:56:53,609
you know helps pay his tuition gets them

1189
00:56:58,699 --> 00:56:57,059
all the way through it and just I just

1190
00:57:01,549 --> 00:56:58,709
happen to know some guy in personnel at

1191
00:57:05,439 --> 00:57:01,559
skunk works nearly a job as a junior

1192
00:57:09,189 --> 00:57:05,449
engineer kid goes in there he's in there

1193
00:57:13,789 --> 00:57:11,299
Christmas time Thanksgiving time

1194
00:57:16,249 --> 00:57:13,799
birthday time whatever he's over at the

1195
00:57:18,169 --> 00:57:16,259
house and he's part of the family he's

1196
00:57:21,410 --> 00:57:18,179
been in family's insignia bit for the

1197
00:57:23,439 --> 00:57:21,420
last 20-some odd years and finally uncle

1198
00:57:26,689 --> 00:57:23,449
Egor gets down with the kid and he said

1199
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,699
what do you what do you do walk in and

1200
00:57:31,189 --> 00:57:28,559
the kids I can't tell you he said look

1201
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:31,199
I've known you your whole life I've

1202
00:57:35,929 --> 00:57:33,089
helped you get to where you are you can

1203
00:57:40,579 --> 00:57:35,939
tell uncle Edgar where God looks around

1204
00:57:42,919 --> 00:57:40,589
it starts telling some stuff hey uncle

1205
00:57:45,709 --> 00:57:42,929
Egor starts digging a little bit deeper

1206
00:57:48,049 --> 00:57:45,719
now this guy is clean as far as his

1207
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:48,059
background and security check I mean he

1208
00:57:53,179 --> 00:57:49,890
looked up as but they even he had found

1209
00:57:54,740 --> 00:57:53,189
his [\h__\h] nothing his his clean as the

1210
00:57:57,780 --> 00:57:54,750
freshly driven snow

1211
00:58:00,990 --> 00:57:57,790
so now uncle igor's is pushing him

1212
00:58:03,540 --> 00:58:01,000
pushing him and finally he brings some

1213
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:03,550
stuff home misclassified his top-secret

1214
00:58:08,790 --> 00:58:04,960
whatever uh-huh

1215
00:58:13,260 --> 00:58:08,800
then uncle Egor now he has his hook yeah

1216
00:58:15,150 --> 00:58:13,270
all right he says next week or next

1217
00:58:16,830 --> 00:58:15,160
month I want you to I want you to bring

1218
00:58:19,350 --> 00:58:16,840
home some stuff on this program or

1219
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:19,360
surprise it so I can get fired I can go

1220
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:24,160
to jail he said I got you oh no you

1221
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:25,570
either do what I say or I'm gonna turn

1222
00:58:33,180 --> 00:58:29,290
you into security and that's how they

1223
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:33,190
work now here's a guy was innocent he

1224
00:58:38,670 --> 00:58:35,290
didn't have an evil thought in his body

1225
00:58:40,380 --> 00:58:38,680
and uncle Egor helped his family I mean

1226
00:58:43,650 --> 00:58:40,390
how are you gonna say no to a guy that

1227
00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:43,660
that pulled you out of poverty saved

1228
00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:46,900
them you know save your mom from jumping

1229
00:58:50,610 --> 00:58:48,910
off a bridge or you going to jail

1230
00:58:52,530 --> 00:58:50,620
because you're a jubilant delinquent

1231
00:58:54,930 --> 00:58:52,540
right and that's what they do Wow

1232
00:58:56,820 --> 00:58:54,940
Chinese do the same thing but really the

1233
00:59:00,690 --> 00:58:56,830
Russians the Russians are the best at it

1234
00:59:06,170 --> 00:59:00,700
dang you know say I hate to cut it off

1235
00:59:13,110 --> 00:59:11,400
the camera yeah we're about to run out I

1236
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:13,120
just don't want it to stop and they're

1237
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:14,410
like you're in the middle of a story and

1238
00:59:23,010 --> 00:59:20,410
it shuts down yeah let's charge oh no

1239
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:23,020
it's good good for you yeah yeah that

1240
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:24,960
was great

1241
00:59:36,810 --> 00:59:34,330
where your note I don't need like I

1242
00:59:37,620 --> 00:59:36,820
liked you guys I mean you just its

1243
00:59:43,230 --> 00:59:37,630
Wayne's World

1244
00:59:46,110 --> 00:59:43,240
yeah Austin pretty much it's pretty much

1245
00:59:49,290 --> 00:59:46,120
it all right guys thanks for tuning in

1246
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:49,300
and we'll get updated on this yeah again